Deviant Login Shop  Join deviantART for FREE Take the Tour
×



Details

Submitted on
December 9, 2013
Image Size
1.3 MB
Resolution
1200×1200
Link
Thumb
Embed

Stats

Views
169
Favourites
17 (who?)
Comments
24
Downloads
5
×
Albert Alligator (1.2) by FreezingIceKirby Albert Alligator (1.2) by FreezingIceKirby
This is where I'd usually talk a bit about the character... but truth be told, I really don't know much about him.  I discovered him about two weeks ago, when I was walking through a flea market and I saw some old drinking cup with him on it (though oddly, he was wearing a red scarf).  He's from an old newspaper comic strip named "Pogo", which started in the 1940's (and sadly ended in the 70's).  While I haven't read too many of them, they do seem to be pretty good, so I recommend you look some of them up on Google Image Search.  There's also a Chuck Jones-produced cartoon and a stop-motion short based on the comic, but I hear both are pretty well hated by Pogo fans, so check 'em out if you're curious (I haven't yet).

(I like his character design, which is why I to drew him.  That, and like I've said in the past, I like drawing obscure characters.  I dare say Albert more than qualifies in that department.)



===========
Edit (1.1)

Altered the description a bit.  The original was all doom and gloom because I didn't like the picture too well.

I edited the picture quite a bit, but mostly only the head.  I made the left side of his head more rounded, practically redrew the eyes completely, and altered the pupils a bit.  Besides that, I reduced the light shading a bit, because I felt it was too bright.  There was also the occasional line fixing, too.

Overall, I'm happier with the picture now. 

Click here to see the original (1.0)

Edit (1.2)
Changed the lines on his chest, fixed some lines on his right eye, and removed the white outline.  I also changed the background a bit... because why not.
Add a Comment:
 
:iconphraggle:
Phraggle Apr 2, 2014   General Artist
Coolness. I have a pile of old Pogo books. :-)
Reply
:iconfreezingicekirby:
FreezingIceKirby Apr 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Those must've been fun to read.  I keep hoping I'll come across some myself one day (like at a fleamarket or something)... unfortunately, I've had no luck there yet. lol

(Thanks for all the +fav's, btw.  I appreciate it! :D )
Reply
:iconphraggle:
Phraggle Apr 4, 2014   General Artist
I was on a Pogo kick in the... early 90s or something. Maybe Amazon has some. :-)

My pleasure. :aww:
Reply
:iconssprojects:
SSProjects Dec 10, 2013  Professional Filmographer
:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

OK Kirby, I appreciate your modesty and all, but I gotta ask...

Are you looking at your work?

If you won't take the word of another artist, take the word of a Walt Kelly nut.  THIS...LOOKS...AWESOME, and a pox on anyone who dares to say differently, you included!! What a wonderful tribute to Kelly, Pogo, and Albert himself, who was always a favorite character of mine.  The colors, values, pose...everything is spot-on for this character.  The only thing I might say is that you could have gotten away with single lines instead of doubles on his chest, and I feel dramatically self-conscious bringing that up!  Great work, and despite your dissatisfaction, I hope you'll try the other Pogo characters as well!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Reply
:iconfreezingicekirby:
FreezingIceKirby Dec 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, you know me at this point.  I just felt this was a step-down, considering I started to have a streak of good pics and poses for a while (Bobblun, Buizel, Ivan, and Kangaroon - All really pleased me... for once -lol-).

In any case, I did try to improve the picture a bit, just because I felt the eyes and head needed some work (I also took your advice about the double lines on his chest; I only put them there because I was mistaken in believing that's how it actually was in the comic itself).  If you don't mind, check out the picture again and tell me what you think (the original is linked in the description, if you want to compare the two).

(After the edit, I do feel better about the pic now. :))

Anyhoo, I'm surprised yet again to know that you guys actually know a lot about the character and the comic... happily surprised, mind you :nod:.  I'm really glad to hear I was wrong, and that the comic and characters weren't forgotten after all.  And you know I'm also happy to hear that you're also a fan of Albert (from what little I have read, he does seem quite awesome). :D

I do plan on checking out more of the comic strip eventually.  A part of me wishes I could find one of those booklets that contain them, but I see they can be kinda expensive at times.  But, Google Image Search is better than nothing, I suppose, so at least I get to enjoy them in some manner. 

(Oh, have you seen the Chuck Jones cartoon and clamation movie?  I hear they're not well-liked, but if you've seen them yourself, would you recommend them?)
Reply
:iconssprojects:
SSProjects Dec 11, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Again, while I can appreciate the improvements you made, it's technical stuff that matters very little here.  You captured the spirit of Walt Kelly's strip with this rendering.  I even like the little touches you did to make it your own, such as the smoke effect at the tip of the cigar.


(Oh, have you seen the Chuck Jones cartoon and clamation movie?  I hear they're not well-liked, but if you've seen them yourself, would you recommend them?)

Ah, yes, now speaking of bones of contention...

I have an interesting history with the Chuck Jones special, since I saw it before actually reading the strip, and I was a kid who loved ANYTHING animated at the time.  Now, technically, this short and the "puppettoon" style entry are highly proficient, and great-looking.

What the fans are getting at, though, is valid, and one only has to read the strip once to see it.  The specials just fail to capture that spirit that I'm talking about.  Look at this:

www.cartoonbrew.com/comics/red…

Now, Ruosso's article hits the high points of the situation real well, giving a solid example of the debate I've raged since before you met me.  It may be somewhat ingenuous to shovel all blame upon Jones' shoulders.  Sure, he was a brilliant animator, designer, and producer, even if he had a few wacky notions.  (Didja know that he hated "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" because he felt the 'toons weren't featured enough? :-? )  But I'm MOST certain that a crime-think of TV producers were right there to make sure Kelly's commentary masterpiece was reduced to just another children's special, with none of the character or personality of the original work.  To Kelly's fans, this lost short is the only true animated form of "Pogo", since it comes from the creator's hand.

And yes, before you ask, I don't want ANYONE to finish it.  Ask me why. :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:
Reply
:iconfreezingicekirby:
FreezingIceKirby Dec 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Even though I haven't watched the whole thing or checked out that many of the strips... honestly, I can see where the fans are coming from.  The few minutes I did watch of the Chuck Jones short seemed... dumb.  Granted, I skipped around because at the time I only wanted to see Albert in action, but when I did finally find him... he was arguing with some dog about some song not being sung right, and the scene kinda didn't go anywhere (as if the "We're both singing it wrong" thing was suppose to be the humorous part itself... it wasn't, really). 

Of course, thanks to the link you provided, I'm learning the true story behind the short now.  Honestly, I never knew about that sort of thing regarding Chuck Jones... and admittedly, it makes me lose a lot of respect for the guy (not just from that alone though; someone mentioned in the comments of that article that Jones re-wrote the intro Steven Spielberg provided at the beginning of his book "Chuck Amuck" to be "More emotional"... how does someone get away with that sort of thing!?  Will people just not say "No, don't do that" to the guy because of his supposed "Legendary" status among animators?).

And I can imagine that's why you don't want anyone finishing Kelly's incomplete short; Obviously, because of Kelly's passing and all, they can't imitate the style of animation, so they'll have to start over (especially considering practically everything's digital nowadays)... and more-likely than not, the person who's taking on the project will want to do it their way... which will introduce the same problem(s) we had with the Jones short and claymation movie all over again.

(Plus, considering Albert smokes a cigar, the type of "Swamp" talk, and the fact that kids will look at it and want to go see it, parents will obviously complain and it'll get butchered in some way, shape, or form... aka, it won't contain the spirit of the comic strip in any way.)

It's probably best we just leave that unfinished short the way it is.  While it's not complete, it's still Kelly's pure vision, and that's the best thing any fan can ask for at this point, I'd dare say.
Reply
:iconssprojects:
SSProjects Dec 14, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Of course, thanks to the link you provided, I'm learning the true story behind the short now.  Honestly, I never knew about that sort of thing regarding Chuck Jones... and admittedly, it makes me lose a lot of respect for the guy (not just from that alone though; someone mentioned in the comments of that article that Jones re-wrote the intro Steven Spielberg provided at the beginning of his book "Chuck Amuck" to be "More emotional"... how does someone get away with that sort of thing!?  Will people just not say "No, don't do that" to the guy because of his supposed "Legendary" status among animators?).

Celebrity is like that.  Ironically, it's also what's protected many ill-advised changes to some movies where Spielberg served as producer.  ("Oh, you just don't tell him no.")  As I say, Charles M. Jones provided massive accomplishments to the world of animation, but he was...real, real special.

And I can imagine that's why you don't want anyone finishing Kelly's incomplete short; Obviously, because of Kelly's passing and all, they can't imitate the style of animation, so they'll have to start over (especially considering practically everything's digital nowadays)... and more-likely than not, the person who's taking on the project will want to do it their way... which will introduce the same problem(s) we had with the Jones short and claymation movie all over again.

Well, you know me.  I disapprove of SPRR in general, so that's one.  And then, besides the technical side of the issue that you've covered quite well, there's much more to the aesthetic side, as the TV specials prove in themselves.  The spirit of the strip is lost if the characters have to do things entirely different from what fans are accustomed to seeing; such as offering quaint commentary on the state of the world, in the case of "Pogo".  The "Doonsebury" animation had the same hang-up, although it wasn't quite as severe as what was done with "Pogo".  Something clever was done with the "Bloom County" show, by making Opus the focus of "A Wish For Wings That Work" (and yes, this is the time of year to view that), and crafting a charmer of a story around that.

(Fast Fact:  Berkley Breathed of "Bloom County/Outland" fame wrote the book upon which the film "Mars Needs Moms" is based.)
Reply
:iconludichris1:
Some kind of pointed arch above the eyes; basically a tiny fold of skin at an angle going over the eye to show it is part of his face

Small exterior highlights on the edges of the body, perhaps?
Reply
:iconfreezingicekirby:
FreezingIceKirby Dec 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
While I wasn't sure about the highlights, I did fix the eyes up.  I quite like how they look now.  What says you?
Reply
Add a Comment: